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Dec 10, 2020



Could you run it in a virtual machine? For example, computer is running Windows 10 64-bit, while Eudora is running in a 32-bit Windows 7 VM?

(Also, it might be worth trying a Windows 10 32-bit VM, especially an older vintage. 32-bit Windows 10 seems to have better compatibility than 64-bit. We have a machine we just made, special order, that has to run Windows 10 32-bit 1909 - NOT the current 20H2 - because it uses 20-year old hardware and software designs that don't work with 64-bits, and finally won't work with the latest 32-bit Windows 10. OTOH, I have to give MS some credit - can you run 20-year old binary (not source) software on the latest Mac or Linux versions?)

Ralph Grabowski

I think I made it work on Windows 7 by setting the Compatibility property of Eudora.exe for Windows Vista, and then run it at the Administrator Level.

A friend tells me he got it work on Windows 10, and I've asked him for the details.



I believe eM Client provides all the features you're looking for. With version 8. they now also include an option to launch multiple windows. I like the ability to create template emails, and can send out as a mass email, such as a reminder to your reading group.

I would wouldn't recommend using google as your mail system. I see it as being geared towards general consumers rather than for professional use. They dictate too much over what you can and can't do with your own email account. i.e. You lose sovereignty over your communications. For example. it is impossible to send an AutoCAD script (.SCR) file as an attachment. If you try it doesn't provide any messaging to the fact it hasn't been sent, or why, it just disappears. Same happens with receiving. I had a printer company repeatedly try and send me some printer drivers for a printer that we were having trouble with. Never received the email, never received a message to say that it had been blocked either.

Ralph Grabowski

My solution to sending files that Google censors is to use a cloud service, pCloud in my case, to make the transfer.

Thanks for your tips on eM Client.

Allen Lacy

I also use Eudora 7 for basically the same features you do. I have been using it with gmail for many years. I was using Eudora with a non gmail server then I switched to gmail about 7 years ago. I found directions similar to yours on how to get it to work. Then in 2017 I got a new laptop with 64bit Windows 10 home version. I just copied the Eudora files to the Windows 10 system and it worked. Since it was so long ago that I configured Eudora to work with gmail I not sure what I did different from you.

Note the reason I found your page, is I remembered reading that Google is going to remove the "Less secure app access" and I was hunting information on how to get Eudora to work without that setting. Besides this page I also found


I don't know if this applies to you or me.

Ralph Grabowski

I think that Google will keep the less-secure option. Keep in mind that data-mining is the only thing Google is interested in. If a product or service returns user data to Google, then it holds on to it. Desktop software like Picasa had to be killed because we could use it under the radar.

By offering the less-secure option, Google gains access to many more email accounts, whose data it can harvest.

Erwin Landsberger

Dear Ralph:
I followed all your steps trying to get Eudora 7 work with gmail.com after Telus migrated my account. However Eudora still does not work and gives an error and goes nowhere. The error contains the phrase Connection closed by foreign host. Could I have missed something or do you have some new information. After using Eudora since email first came to being years ago I do not want to give it up. There is nothing out there that is as good. Am running Windows 7.

Rob Abbott

Hi Ralph,
I wanted to thank you for your time and effort in putting all of this together. It has enabled me to get my Eudora 7.1 up and running on Gmail after the Telus migration similiar to yourself. I was running Eudora 6.1 on my Win 7 machine prior to this but found that it will not cooperate with Gmail so I downloaded 7.1 from
Your instructions were very clear and allowed me to walk through what needed to be done. I could not have done this had I not found your website.
The only thing I found was that the SMTP Port number you show under ' Editing Port Numbers' should be 465 not 587.
587 is specified in 'Account Settings / Generic Properties / SMTP Server / Use submission port (587) - checked as yes.
Thanks once again for a job well done. Us old Eudora fans can keep on truckin'!

Best Regards,

Rob Abbott

Ralph Grabowski

Hmmm... SMTP Port 587 works for me and for my dad's Telus account.

OTOH, a reader has contacted me as he is unable to collect his email. I'll pass on your tip to him, to see if that is change he needs to make.


Hi everybody.
I have been running EUDORA 6.2 for some 20 years and am perfectly happy with it. My provider telus just forced me to migrate my telus account to gmail and now I am locked out. EU62 cannot send e-mail nor receive it, not with the pop and smtp and port settings provided to me. I have wasted 5 hours on this already, trying any angle with the settings. But I need access to all my past e-mails, stored in countless mailboxes going back some 20 years, and I love EUDORAs interface and options.
Following the explicit advice given above by RG for EU7, I installed v, in the hopes of getting this version to 'talk' to the gmail servers. But this failed as well. I cannot even set the ports because the sponsored and free modes do not have this option. I'd be happy to pay to get the 'full' version but that is longer possible. So now I am totally stuck.
My computers run on Win-10.
Can anyone help me to get EU62 to talk to the gmail servers? Alternatively, I need EU7 where I can set the ports. I can well imagine running on EU7, assuming that I can import all my past mail from EU62. Other?

Ralph Grabowski

It appears that you can download the final (newest) version of Eudora from here:



Thank you. This is the version I downloaded and installed. But it does not have the option of setting the ports, which likely is available only in the 'paid' version.

Ralph Grabowski

Be sure to install the software listed under "Editing Port Numbers," steps 1 thru 4.


Right you were: I missed to execute the 'Editing port numbers' correctly. Now done right. And now I have EUDORA 7-1-0-9 running just fine. Mind you, I still like the interface of v6.2 better. For one,: where in EU7 are the horizontal and vertical grid lines within the IN- and OUT-boxes of EU6, which I find useful? How to I get rid of the spit field in the IN- and OUT-boxes of EU7, which I find highly annoying? But I count my blessings that I came across your instructions. Otherwise I'd be in deep trouble having to give up using EUDORA altogether.
So please accept my deepest gratitude for providing all this advice, and so very clearly.
Just one more thing: Dec-17-2020 you wrote: "A friend tells me he got it work on Windows 10, and I've asked him for the details." No details necessary. I am running EUDORA 7-1-0-9 on Win-10 now, just as I have been running EUDORA 6.2 on Win-10, and 7, and XP, and NT. I never had any issues running EUDORA when upgrading/updating Windows going back to ~2005.

Ralph Grabowski

To get rid of the split fields, go to Tools > Options > Preview
and then turn off Preview Pane.

Michael R Dodds

Interesting that there are still so many people using Eudora 7.1. I have been using it since early 1993 and having used several other email programs always come back to Eudora because it is much more sophisticated than most of the others including Outlook. I use it on Windows 10 but keep it directly in the C:/drive and do not allow it into Programs. I have two problems the most annoying is that, unlike Outlook, I cannot add multiple outging addresses to cc. The other problem is that the dates column for outgoing mail doesn't always keep the dates in the correct chronological order, possibly a corrupt part of the file, otherwise it handles my average 120 emails every day. The fact Gmail and Yahoo won't handle the mail directly means I have to use Earthlink but that just means I have two email addresses.

Ralph Grabowski

With Qualcomm having made Eudora open-source, it's a wonder no one has
taken it over to modernize it.

I can add multiple email addresses to the CC: field. Separate them with a

You can click the Date header to sort emails by date order.

Ralph Grabowski

With Qualcomm having made Eudora open-source, it's a wonder no one has
taken it over to modernize it.

I can add multiple email addresses to the CC: field. Separate them with a

You can click the Date header to sort emails by date order.

Joe Blow

THANK YOU for taking the time to post this. The instructions outlined on this page were enormously helpful in migrating my mother's account to Gmail's system and then remotely configuring her Eudora client over Teamviewer.

Everything went like clockwork except for step 6 of Set Up Properties. There was no 'Test' option in the pop up menu when right-clicking on the dominant personality (Eudora 7.1 paid mode). Instead I went to the Special menu, selected Forget password, and entered the new password after checking for incoming mail.

Jim Kenzie

Hello: I recently came across this forum. Glad to see others are still making the best email system ever designed function! I run on a Windows 7 machine, and it works perfectly. At least until recently, when all of a sudden my Out Box was only showing two messages. I can drag the lower margin bar (the one with the statistics - 2101/11470K/289K; "Default (Compact)"; and the "less-than" sign < - in it) down to display more. But every time I close that window and re-open it, it goes back to show just two messages again. All other mail boxes stay showing whatever size I have established. Any one have any clues?

Thank you in advance!



Ralph Grabowski

Try maximizing the windows -- Out and Eurora itself -- then close Eudora, and open again. Let me know if this does -- or does not -- work.

Bruce Katz

I run paid version of the final Eudora published and I run it on Windows 10 Pro.
The only trick is that when I boot up I need to Run As Administrator.

Todd Boyle

I'd pay $100 for an updated version of Eudora with support. Like many of you, I've been using Eudora over 25 years and I'm not interested in re-training my entire mode of relating to my messages, content, hotkeys, and losing essential functions (detailed by Ralph).

I'm concerned to get it running, since Google is making two-factor authentication mandatory. Pop/ SMTP doesn't work anymore and my Eudora 7109 doesnt support the required settings (e.g. port 993).

I'm also concerned about vulnerabilities. In my dreams, some startup would just do the work, sell the updated version, and make money for themselves. I guess this has already been tried (the Thunderbird version Eudora 8) right?

I guess I'll try forwarding my email to my comcast account? willl that work?

David Baker

Hi All -

Does anyone have a solution to using Eudora (for Windows) with the newly forced Google authentication? I've tried everything I know to do, without success. Anyone have any ideas?

Fingers crossed!


Mark Ladenson

This page is a masterpiece.

I've seen a number of places on the web which list how to set up properties properly. Nowhere else have I seen anything about weakening GMail's security, opening up Eudora's access to port numbers, and/or replacing aging security DLLs in Eudora. As regards the last item, at first I thought Windows 10 was not going to let me copy the newer DLLs to the main Eudora folder, but I was able to do so after a little fiddling around.

My principal e-mail server for 27 years has been my university's. A couple of years ago they switched from an inhouse server to that horrible MS Outlook 365. Microsoft is ending support for pop and imap in 2022, so I thought that was finally the end for my use of Eudora, a prospect I contemplated with dread. So glad to find this alternative.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

John Miller

I use Eudora on Windows 10. I guess I had to use the installer when moving to a new Eudora version (and I think I tried an installer version of the HermSSL when I had some problem or other), but my practice when moving to a new computer since at least Windows 95 has been to simply copy my Eudora file folder from the old computer to the new computer. I have an old style installation that has all the data and binaries in the same folder. (:We don’t need no stinkin’ Program Files and Documents. Well, at least not for Eudora.:)

Somewhere along the line -- I think it was Windows Vista with its whatsit, User Access Control? -- I started running into problems getting Eudora to run on a new machine. The solution turned out to be simply choosing “Run as Administrator” for the first time running Eudora. Doing this allowed Eudora to set itself as the default mail program in the registry. After that, Eudora could be run as a normal use program unless something else stole the default mail designation.

John Miller

Ralph Grabowski said
“You can click the Date header to sort emails by date order.”

Yes, but I find it is a good idea after sorting to then click on the Date header again to turn off sorting. That way, any new messages coming in will be displayed at the bottom. There is the rare misdated email, but the main benefit of turning off sorting is when the server decides to send you old email messages again, like gmail.com did when it took over each of my telus.net email addresses.

I also started toggling Date sorting on and then off again in all my filing mailboxes after I forgot to turn off the dummy filter action I use to copy the occasional email to two mailboxes and managed to copy my entire In box into another mailbox. (By the way, have I been missing something all these years? Is a filter action really the only way to make a copy of an email?)

Ralph Grabowski

Is a filter action really the
only way to make a copy of an email?)
Hold down the Ctrl key as you drag a message to another

Mark Ladenson

Following up on my comment of December 8, I started using my gmail account with Eudora at the start of the new year.
So far, sending from Eudora using the gmail server is going much more smoothly than with the Microsoft Outlook 365 server, which had really gotten finicky in the second half of December.

So again, I am so grateful for this page.

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