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Aug 22, 2011


Surely You\'re Jesting from UNITED KINGDOM

Ralph, the juxtaposition of an article about CAD companies claiming phantom \'market share\' and one about SpaceClaim\'s claim that it is \'displacing\' other CAD systems (aka \'gaining market share\') is funny. Not sure you intended it that ay, but funny nevertheless.

These guys have been drinking their koolaid for so long they are starting to actually believe their own stories. Sad, sad, utterly sad. It is going to be hard to find a larger bunch of more delusional people in this already spaced-out CAD industry than the SpaceClaimers. SpaceClaim\'s argument for its products is like a new car company braying its going to put GM out business because it came up with a better carburettor!

If SolidWorks is an overkill for the tasks you have listed in your article, what\'s next - go back to drafting tables and protractors?


In reply to the previous post, who ------ on your Corn Flakes this morning? I take no sides every software has its place and purpose. SpaceClaim is a beneficial tool in many ways and suits many applications. Why go over kill and purchase expensive hard to learn Systems when its not nessercsry, bad resorce allocation if you ask me? Systems such as CATIA, Solidworks are extremly powefull and great peices of software but put restrictions on the amount of people who can design in 3D but SpaceClaim expands the user base within 3D to less able people. I could rant on but will stop here.

Jon Banquer

"I found it interesting that SpaceClaim is aiming for 100% of the sheet metal designer's needs, because later Mr Courter showed me a chart in which customers self-reported their uses of SpaceClaim. Sheet metal design was near the bottom of the list, employed by a mere 18% of customers (who were allowed to choose more than one activity)."

TRUMPF has made a big commitment to SpaceClaim so this makes perfect sense to me. I think TRUMPF will use SpaceClaim as host CAD for the sheet metal CAM.

As a long time SolidWorks user, SpaceClaim saves me a ton of time working with dumb imported solids rather than using SoildWorks for this task. I also find it great for designing fixtures where I'm not exactly sure how I want to go about fixturing a part and know that I'm going to make frequent changes to the design.

SpaceClaim is the ideal CAM host and CAM companies should be using it for their CAD front end and making their CAM run inside of SpaceClaim. This actually makes far more sense than running inside of SolidWorks because most machining job shops work with non-native solids.

For over ten years Bob McNeel has refused to give Rhino users decent solid modeling and decent filleting because he refuses to license a quality solid modeling kernel. Many years ago Bob McNeel signed a bad contract for AG Lib that badly hurt Rhino development and set them back and he can't seem to get over this. I would strongly suggest to SpaceClaim that they put in the needed low level surfacing tools and convert Rhino users to SpaceClaim.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

Jeff Kunkler

Until Spaceclaim gets their distribution in China fixed, I have no interest... I was quoted $11,450 USD for one seat!! Are you effing kidding me!! add the Pro/E translator and it came up $2,000 USD. When I inquired to Spaceclaim in the U.S. about this, I received no answer. I went ahead and evaluated the software anyway... no way is it going to "displace" Pro/E in our company. We do consumer product design and engineering and Spaceclaim is just not close to powerful enough. Not really clear on why they believe it is so worth the incredibly exhorbitant price. I can get two full seats of Creo for that price, and can do a hell of a lot more useful things with that than Spaceclaim. (at this point, I consider it Spacelame... especially lacking response to my pricing inquiries back in the states. Shameful.)

Just my 2 cents, your results may vary...

Blake Courter

Hi Jeff,

I am sorry to hear that you had that experience. We have no record of such a quote, but that number appears to be in a different orbit from our actual pricing.

We do have a new distributor in China, and I would be happy to put you in touch. The best way to reach me is blake (at) spaceclaim (dot) com if there’s anything else I can do.


Geoff Hedges

Hi Ralph,

Congratulations to the team on their release of SpaceClaim 2011+.

With respect to their observations about Pro/E, I guess the team was busy on their release and didn’t catch what happened and is happening with the PTC Creo vision, strategy, and first release.

Creo enables everyone in the enterprise to use the tools that work best for them so that they can contribute more efficiently to the product development process. Creo 1.0 includes nine apps addressing the needs of specific roles and use cases. From creating 2D freehand sketches, creating 2D conceptual engineering designs, creating 3D designs with powerful, adaptive 3D parametric modeling, creating and edit 3D geometry using fast, flexible direct modeling, analyzing structural and thermal property, 2D diagrams of piping and cabling systems designs, visualizing mechanical CAD and ECAD information, and creating interactive 3D technical illustrations.

The Creo apps also provide an unprecedented level of interoperability – data moves seamlessly between apps and modeling modes while retaining design intent – such that companies can share data more easily with internal and external parties.
We believe this is the right approach and from what we see from our Creo sales growth and adoption since introducing of our vision, so do our customers. As we’ve reported during this year, we’re seeing amazing growth in our design software business, and sales of our software supporting direct modeling is outpacing all expectations. One of the reasons is that we provide three approaches to offering direct modeling approaches to our customers, that align with their needs:

Expert users of Creo Parametric want to stay in that same environment and edit their model in ways similar to direct modeling. That’s why there’s an extension for Creo Parametric, called Creo Flexible Modeling Extension (FMX).

Casual or inexperienced user might want a much simpler app and approach, and they can use Creo Direct to drive a change to a model. But they want to move that between apps seamlessly.

For power users wanting to fully design using the direct modeling approach, Creo Elements/Direct is by far the most comprehensive direct modeling solution on the market. There are more than 5,000 companies using it as their core product development tool, developing complete products from art-to-part using the direct modeling approach.

The great news is that these products provide smooth interoperability – data moves seamlessly between apps and modeling modes.

From what I hear from around the globe and see through our exceptional growth in Creo business, it appears that when customers are looking to add direct modeling to their environment, they are finding the solution with PTC, rather than others.

Best Regards,
Geoff Hedges,

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